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Teekay (TK) Q3 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

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DATE

Thursday, Nov. 12, 2026

CALL PARTICIPANTS

  • President and Chief Executive Officer - Kenneth Hvid
  • Chief Financial Officer - Brody Speers
  • Vice President of Finance and Corporate Development - Ryan Hamilton
  • Director of Research - Christian Waldegrave

TAKEAWAYS

  • GAAP Net Income -- $195 million, or $5.60 per share, reflecting strong operating leverage to the spot tanker market.
  • Adjusted Net Income -- $176 million, or $5.04 per share, driven by high average spot tanker rates during the period.
  • Year-to-Date Adjusted Net Income -- Nearly $0.5 billion, representing a performance level in line with the record-setting full year results of 2023.
  • Free Cash Flow -- $179 million for the quarter and over $520 million for the first nine months of the year, contributing to a cash position of over $1.4 billion.
  • Balance Sheet Liquidity -- Over $1.4 billion in cash with no debt as of the end of the third quarter.
  • Spot Suezmax Rates -- $106,400 per day on average during the third quarter, compared to $272,000 per day for 63% of fourth quarter-to-date bookings.
  • Spot Aframax/LR2 Rates -- $67,600 per day on average during the third quarter, while 53% of fourth quarter-to-date bookings were secured at $208,300 per day.
  • Average Midsize Tanker Rates -- Around $87,000 per day in the third quarter, rising to over $200,000 per day quarter-to-date in the fourth quarter.
  • Newbuild Commitments -- Six vessels on order delivering between mid-2027 and 2030, including two Chinese-built LR2 vessels and two Korean-built Suezmax tankers announced during the quarter.
  • MR Tanker Acquisition -- Approximately $49 million for a 2020-built vessel, marking the company's re-entry into the product tanker sector.
  • Vessel Sales -- $211 million from the sale of four vessels since the start of the year, resulting in total gains of $78 million.
  • Fleet Renewal Investment -- Approximately $716 million committed to 10 modern vessels since the beginning of the year.
  • Fleet Age Profile -- 22% of the fleet is currently over 20 years old, with an additional 20% expected to reach that age by 2030.
  • Midsize Order Book -- 25% of the current fleet, which management expects will be offset by the eventual removal of older vessels.
  • Red Sea Impact -- Approximately 30 days added to voyage lengths for Saudi Arabian crude redirected via the Suez Canal and SUMED pipeline due to regional disruptions.
  • Dividend Payment -- $0.25 per share fixed quarterly dividend declared for the third quarter.
  • Operational Leverage -- Management reported that fourth quarter-to-date rates are more than 30-fold the company's free cash flow breakeven.
  • Year-to-Date Cash Generation -- Nearly $15 of free cash flow per share generated during the first nine months of 2026.
  • Crude Oil Trade Volumes -- Global volumes returned above prewar levels in recent weeks, supported by rising exports from the Atlantic Basin and a recovery in Middle East Gulf supply.

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RISKS

  • Hvid stated, "refining margins over the past months have decreased from record levels, which is one of the reasons why freight rates have now moderated from the very high level seen in September and October," noting a potential impact on demand.

SUMMARY

Teekay Corporation Ltd. (NYSE:TK) reported results for the third quarter of 2026, highlighting the impact of spot tanker market volatility on financial performance. Management stated that the company achieved a debt-free status while expanding its cash reserves through operational cash flow. The company advanced its fleet renewal strategy by divesting older assets and securing long-term newbuilding contracts for modern vessels. Executives indicated that the current market environment is shaped by geopolitical disruptions in the Middle East and Red Sea, which have altered global trade patterns and increased transportation requirements.

  • Hvid stated that the Board of Directors "expects to consider a special dividend in conjunction with the announcement of our fourth quarter and annual results of 2026" in February 2027.
  • Hvid noted that the acquisition of an MR tanker was "to build back the capability to really operate MRs again" and provides optionality for future product tanker opportunities.
  • Waldegrave noted that crude oil imports in China have returned toward 10 million barrels per day, indicating that Chinese buyers are sensitive to oil price movements.
  • Hvid stated, "The scope for shadow vessels returning to the legitimate fleet is very limited, particularly for older vessels with around 70% of the tanker fleet over 20 years of age."
  • Management indicated that it will likely sell additional vessels over the coming 12 months as part of its ongoing capital recycling and fleet modernization program.
  • Waldegrave indicated that while the Middle East situation remains volatile, a potential resolution could lead to OPEC producers ramping up production, which might boost cargo volumes.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

  • Aframax: Tankers with a capacity of 80,000 to 120,000 deadweight tons.
  • Crack spreads: The price difference between a barrel of crude oil and the petroleum products refined from it.
  • LR2: Large Range 2, referring to aframax-sized tankers with coated tanks for carrying clean petroleum products.
  • MR: Medium Range, referring to product tankers with 25,000 to 50,000 deadweight tons capacity.
  • Shadow fleet: A group of older vessels operating outside mainstream maritime regulations and oversight, often involved in sanctioned trades.
  • Suez Canal and SUMED pipeline: Critical maritime infrastructure and an onshore pipeline in Egypt used for transporting oil between the Red Sea and Mediterranean.
  • Suezmax: Mid-sized crude oil tankers named for their ability to traverse the Suez Canal while fully loaded.
  • Tonne-mile: A shipping industry metric calculating the distance a cargo is carried multiplied by the weight of that cargo.
  • VLCC: Very Large Crude Carrier, referring to tankers with a capacity of 200,000 to 320,000 deadweight tons.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Operator: Welcome to the Teekay Group Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Now for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to the company. Please go ahead.

Lee Edwards: Before we begin, I would like to direct all participants to our website at www.teekay.com, where you will find a copy of the Teekay Group's Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Presentation. Kenneth will review this presentation during today's conference call. Please allow me to remind you that our discussion today contains forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from results projected by those forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in the third quarter 2026 Teekay Group earnings presentation available on our website. I will now turn the call over to Kenneth Hvid, Teekay Corporation's and Teekay Tankers' President and CEO, to begin.

Kenneth Hvid: Thank you, Ed. Hello, everyone, and thank you very much for joining us today for the Teekay Group's Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me on the call today for the Q&A session are Brody Speers, Teekay Corporation's and Teekay Tankers' CFO; Ryan Hamilton, our VP of Finance and Corporate Development; and Christian Waldegrave, our Director of Research. Starting on Slide 3 of the presentation, we will cover Teekay Tankers' recent highlights. Teekay Tankers delivered another exceptionally strong quarter, reporting third quarter 2026 GAAP net income of $195 million or $5.60 per share and adjusted net income of $176 million or $5.04 per share.

To further highlight the strength in our results so far this year, for the first 3 quarters of 2026, Teekay Tankers adjusted net income was nearly $0.5 billion, which is in line with our record-setting full year results set back in 2023. Our exceptional results were underpinned by our significant operating leverage to the strong spot market and strong operating performance. Spot tanker rates during the third quarter averaged $106,400 per day or $67,600 per day for Suezmax and Aframax/LR2 fleets, respectively. Combined with the low free cash flow breakeven, Teekay Tankers generated approximately $179 million in free cash flow from operations, which increased our cash position to over $1.4 billion, with no debt as of quarter end.

For the first 3 quarters of 2026, we generated free cash flows of over $520 million. The fourth quarter-to-date bookings have materially increased and looked to set a new record. We have secured spot rates of $272,000 per day and $208,300 per day for our Suezmax and Aframax/LR2 fleets, respectively, with approximately 63% and 53% in of spot-based booked. This puts Teekay Tankers on track to report record earnings for the fourth quarter and full year. I'll go over the market in more detail in the following slides. We continue to execute on our fleet renewal strategy through measured acquisitions.

Since reporting last quarter's results, we have entered into a new build contracts for 2 Chinese-built LR2 vessels and 2 Korean-built Suezmax tankers with options for 2 more Suezmaxes, all for delivery in 2030 along with our previously announced Suezmax tanker newbuildings. Teekay Tankers now has a total of 6 vessels on order delivering in mid-2027 through 2030. In addition, Teekay Tankers has acquired one 2020 built MR tanker for approximately $49 million which expands our footprint into adjacent sector where we have an ownership history and where we can leverage our integrated model. Lastly, Teekay Tankers has declared its regular fixed quarterly dividend of $0.25 per share for the third quarter.

Over the past several years, Teekay Tankers has supplemented its fixed quarterly dividend with annual special dividends that have been announced as part of the first quarter earnings in May of each year. For the 2026 year, the Teekay Tankers Board of Directors expects to consider a special dividend in conjunction with the announcement of our fourth quarter and annual results of 2026, which are expected to be released in February of 2027. Moving to Slide 4. We look at recent developments in the spot tanker market. spot tanker rates in the third quarter of 2026 were near the record levels experienced in the second quarter with Teekay Tankers achieving average midsized tanker rates of around $87,000 per day.

However, rates surged in the early part of the fourth quarter to new record highs with mid-sized tanker rates averaging well over $200,000 per day quarter-to-date. These record rates have been driven by a combination of elevated refinery margins, resilient global oil demand, low refined product inventories and ongoing geopolitical disruptions that have increased transportation requirements. Turning to Slide 5.

We highlight the supportive oil market dynamics, which have helped facilitate record high spot tanker rates, a combination of rising crude oil exports from the Atlantic Basin since the start of the year, coupled with more recent recovery in supply of the Middle East Gulf has pushed global crude oil trade volumes back above prewar levels in recent weeks, boosting crude oil -- tanker demand. In contrast, refined product export volumes remained below prewar levels due to a combination of Ukrainian attacks on Russian refineries and a slower recovery in CPP volumes out of the Middle East Gulf compared to crude.

This has led to tight product market and unprecedented crack spreads, which have incentivized refiners to maximize throughput, supporting crude trade volumes and sustaining demand for tanker transportation despite higher freight costs. However, we should note that refining margins over the past months have decreased from record levels, which is one of the reasons why freight rates have now moderated from the very high level seen in September and October, though they remain at historically high levels. Looking ahead, tanker demand in the medium term will largely depend on how the geopolitical factors currently impacting crude oil trade patterns developed in the coming quarters, particularly regarding the conflict between the U.S. and Iran.

However, we believe that the need to rebuild depleted oil inventory should support tanker demand once oil supply normalizes. Turning to Slide 6. We provide an update on the Strait of Hormuz and Red Sea disruptions and their impacts on voyage distances and trade efficiency. The recovery in crude oil exports from the Middle East Gulf which has relied on increased use of ship-to-ship transfer operations and alternative routes that bypass the Strait of Hormuz as shown on the slide has extended voyage durations and reduced effective vessel availability since the start of Q3.

In addition, an increase in attacks on ships transporting Saudi Arabian crude oil in the Red Sea has led to the redirection of oil flows from the Port of Yanbu northbound via the Suez Canal and SUMED pipeline rather than flowing south via the Bab el-Mandeb Strait which stretches the fleet as it adds about 30 days to the voyage length. These changes have benefited the VLCC market the most, but there's been spillover into the midsized segments as charters have increasingly used smaller tanker classes to move cargoes long haul, as shown by the chart on the right of the slide.

At the same time, growing crude oil movements from the Atlantic to the Pacific and strong arbitrage economics have increased tonne-mile demand across multiple tanker segments, while freight markets have started to moderate from recent peak levels as vessel positioning normalizes and supply chains adjust. We believe that underlying market conditions will continue to be supported by seasonal factors on growing trade inefficiencies and geopolitical uncertainty. Although though perhaps not at the extreme levels of September and October. Turning to Slide 7, we look at medium-term tanker supply fundamentals. Tanker deliveries are projected to accelerate over the next 3 years as the current tanker order book delivers.

However, the order book, which is currently equivalent to around 25% of the fleet in the midsize segments is largely offset by an aging fleet, with 22% of the fleet already older than 20 years of age, and a further 20% reaching age 20 by 2030. We believe the eventual removal of these older vessels should help in reducing the impact of rising tanker deliveries in the coming years. Net fleet supply may also be impacted by developments in the shadow fleet of tankers and whether these vessels will be permanently excluded from unsanctioned trades or will return to regular trading.

We believe that the scope for shadow vessels returning to the legitimate fleet is very limited, particularly for all the vessels with around 70% of the tanker fleet over 20 years of age. These vessels have been operating outside of mainstream channels for many years with little regulatory oversight and will, therefore, have very high barriers to clear in terms of maintenance and vetting before they could be brought back into regular trading and with no guarantees that they will be accepted by charterers and terminals. Turning to Slide 8. We continue to create value and have significant financial strength and optionality. This includes: first, our ability to generate significant free cash flow with a low free cash flow breakeven.

With the majority of our vessels trading in the spot market, we generated nearly $15 of free cash flow per share for the first 9 months of 2026. Further, with weighted average fourth quarter-to-date rates booked of $236,000 per day, more than 30x our free cash flow breakeven, we're positioned to generate exceptional cash flow in what is shaping up to be a record quarter and year for the company. Second, we are executing on our fleet renewal strategy by selling older vessels in today's high asset price environment and recycling that capital to acquire more modern vessels in a disciplined manner.

Since the beginning of the year, we have sold 4 vessels for $211 million with combined gains of $78 million and acquired or committed to 10 modern vessels for approximately $716 million, which includes 6 newbuildings delivering in mid-'27 through 2030. These transactions have lowered our average fleet days while maintaining significant operating leverage to the strong tank. Third, we have significant investment capacity even after our remaining committed newbuild payments. This allows us to incrementally progress our fleet renewal requirements while being patient for larger transactions in the future at more attractive entry points.

The tanker shipping industry is capital-intensive, cyclical and increasingly dynamic, and we believe having significant investment capacity provides financial flexibility to pursue opportunities swiftly when the timing is right. While the near-term tanker market will remain sensitive to geopolitical developments, Teekay Tankers entered the fourth quarter from a position of exceptional strength with record rates booked to date, a low cash flow breakeven, a debt-free balance sheet and significant investment capacity, we're well positioned to deliver record results in 2026, continue renewing our fleet and create long-term value for our shareholders. With that, operator, we are now available to take questions.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] We will now go to your first question coming from the line of John Chappell with Evercore ISI.

Jonathan Chappell: Kenneth, this Slide 8, the strategic fleet renewal is exactly where I wanted to start, and you laid it out pretty nicely here. Sold 4 vessels, obviously older, for $211 million and acquired 4 newbuildings for less than that. So it seems like there's still this incredible arb opportunity in a market like this for obvious reasons. You still have 20-plus vessels, I think, that were built 2011 or before. So how do you balance taking advantage of this, again, I hate to use the same words, incredible arbitrage opportunity to monetize older assets that may not last versus generating cash with those assets in this market?

Kenneth Hvid: Yes, I think that's exactly the right question to ask any tanker company with -- certainly those of us with the fleet profile that we have today, Jon. Clearly, that factors into exactly all of the decisions we're making at the moment. As you point out, you could today probably sell an 18-year-old Suezmax tanker and go out and buy a brand new ones delivering in 4 years, right? So that's the incredible [ opportunity ] that you're talking about. What we're also seeing is that we have the strongest front end of the curve that we've ever experienced in the tanker history.

Of course, that's what you're factoring in, and what we are seeing is on some of these very high prompt values is, of course, it's about having the ship in the right position for the right voyage where you can clip a couple of voyages and generate extremely high cash flows. And that's what you're seeing when we see some of the reported numbers on the secondhand value.

So there will always be a balancing act between trying to cash convert, if you wish, some of the runoff that we've had in the asset values on these older vessels and see how much of that we can secure, realizing that, that's exactly the reason why the values of the old assets are so high. That is because the prompt spot freights are generating so much cash flow. So all the time, we were trying to figure out -- do we think we can get 1, 2 voyages in, make what clearly will be a lot of cash flow, but also arguably and expectedly a lower sale price 3, 6 or 9 months down the road.

And that's basically taking the positions that we're all trying to balance out here.

Jonathan Chappell: You mentioned the 4-year time frame for delivery, and you have these new 2030 deliveries that you just announced today. Should we take that as an indication that you'll continue to recycle potentially some of the orders to eventually be offset with those new builds? Or are those kind of viewed completely independent transactions?

Kenneth Hvid: No, I think that's right. When we look at our fleet profile, we have a number of our ships that will reach the age of 20. We don't have any current plans or trading them beyond 20, and they're going to reach that over the next 2 to 3 years. So we know that we will be selling ships. We're just trying to pick the best time to do that. Some of that capital will obviously be recycling to renewing the fleet. And the pace of it, we can kind of slow down and speed up on that depending on what our market view is. But we will, for sure, be selling more ships in the coming 12 months.

I'll be very surprised if we don't do that. So it's going to be very active, right, buying and selling and spot chartering out, and we will -- we may be looking at a time charters at some point as well, so it's -- I think it's the whole playbook that's being brought in for the next number of quarters here.

Jonathan Chappell: Okay. Final one, if you'll forgive me. I missed the last call, so I get a bonus one today. The MR, obviously, it's just one, and you had MRs in your recent past, but it is a little bit outside of the core knitting and scale that you have with the midsized crude carriers. Was that just a one-off opportunity that was kind of too good to pass up? Or could we expect some of this cash recycling and potential asset value arb to be focused more on product tanker going forward?

Kenneth Hvid: Yes. First of all, I think it's a good ship. We bought at a good price, which we're happy with. We think we can create some value around it. Secondly, I think as we've talked about a little bit in the past, if we were to expand the sandbox, the adjacencies here, what are they, where do we feel that we, as a company, can add the most value with our integrated model. And I think we certainly -- we've always viewed it that way, MRs being more operationally intensive, it's probably the segment that lends itself the best to our operating model.

I think having a larger sandbox that we can play in, especially as it comes to acquiring ships on the water, I think that's where we saw relatively better value to be honest, on an underwater MR compared to underwater Aframaxes or Suezmaxes for the time being. That can change. But the reason why we bought this one, I think it was more to build back the capability to really operate MRs again. I mean, you -- when you don't do it, you don't have your DOC in place. Now we're putting that in place.

We get seafarers on board, and that means that if we see opportunities in the product space in the future, we'll be able to act on them more quickly, so I think it's more an option we are creating. It's more starting to exercise a muscle that we haven't exercised for a decade here, so it's -- I wouldn't read more into it for now. We have no stated plans of building a big position in MRs, but if we see the right opportunity, we will go for it.

Operator: Your next question will come from the line of Omar Nokta with Clarksons Securities.

Omar Nokta: Kenneth, and I did maybe -- I just wanted to maybe follow up just to touch on your latest comments regarding the MRs in response to Jon's question. I was just thinking about it. It's been 10 years since you've had an MR. You got this one. And I guess, just kind of thinking about your comments about looking to recycle some of the older Suezmaxes and Aframaxes and potentially redeploy them in newbuildings.

I guess as a thought as you think about Teekay from here, it's recycling your core business and just modernizing it, but then this MR potential and expanding in that product segment as you get your feet wet, as you were kind of maybe highlighting just building it out, was it thought maybe to use your existing cash balance sheet overall and maybe invest in that segment for growth? Or would you see yourself scaling out of the midsized vessels that are older and maybe redeploying those proceeds into the MRs?

Kenneth Hvid: No. First of all, I'd say our Aframax, Suezmax sectors are still absolute core for us, so I would say this is more a reflection of that. We have a larger balance sheet. We're keen on continuing to try and find assets where we can -- where we feel we can generate the most return. And we believe that by having 3 strings to play on here, we increase that optionality in terms of finding opportunities, so it's more of that.

And I think it's a reflection of that, I think we've said in previous calls that our total fleet size today is probably at the lower end of where we want it to be as an integrated company, so this gives us flexibility to rebuild the scale of the fleet and at the same time, trying to deploy capital where we think we have the best chance on making the best return. And as we all know, that changes rapidly with movement in asset prices and underlying markets. So opportunities come and go in these segments and having an additional segment, we just think will create more optionality for us.

And given the incredible strength we have on the balance sheet that we've built over the last couple of years. We're obviously very excited about having basically a larger market to play in.

Omar Nokta: Yes, certainly. And I guess maybe as you think of it is just one MR, and so to kind of rebuild that expertise per se, do you think kind of in the interim as you look to acquire assets along the way, is it in chartering, going to be something more substantial in this segment as we look ahead here over the next couple of quarters as you perhaps expand your footprint and product?

Kenneth Hvid: I don't think so. At the moment, as we look at the markets, I mean, we've -- historically, we've been in charters, out charters, we've kind of done it all. But at the moment, I don't think our focus would be on in chartering tonnes. We'll probably more look for opportunities where we can buy good assets and maybe out charter them. We haven't exactly decided how we're going to operate. Obviously, it's not a big spot fleet to have one tanker, so we may be looking for time charter opportunities there as we go along and until we get a bit more scale.

But again, we're doing this because we -- it's a capability we want to build and we want to create the optionality.

Omar Nokta: Yes, makes sense. And the final one, then I'll pass it back. Maybe just on the special dividend. You highlighted in the presentation the Board is going to evaluate in February after 2026 results. Is this something as we think of it, is this sort of a -- because you normally declare in May, following 1Q results, should we view this as just the idea of a special dividends now brought forward by 3 months? Or is this kind of a step out or additive beyond what you've done in the past?

Kenneth Hvid: No, I think it's just a more natural closure of the year. I think we -- over the years, we've had the quarterly and we've had one annual special. We discussed it with the Board, it makes more sense to tie it to the full year result as opposed to coming out with it after Q1 in our view, and so we're just moving it forward. So there's nothing more to it than that.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ken Hoexter with Bank of America.

Adam Roszkowski: This is Adam Roszkowski on for Ken Hoexter. So maybe just one on geopolitical thoughts in U.S.-Iran conflicts. If there is a move towards resolution, how are you thinking about the net impact of tanker demand from rebuilding inventories versus the kind of tonne-mile impact of shorter routes from that standpoint? Any thoughts there?

Kenneth Hvid: Yes. I'll let Christian speak to that.

Christian Waldegrave: Yes. I think, obviously, first of all, it's still a very volatile situation. We're still seeing attacks daily in the Hormuz region, and we're still seeing attacks from the Houthis on Saudi oil infrastructure, so I think we're a ways away from a resolution to the U.S.-Iran situation. But if there was a piece deal, there's 2 sides to it. On one hand, you wouldn't need to be doing the sort of shuttle movements out of Hormuz anymore, the oil could flow more freely, so it would be a bit of a more efficient system.

But at the same time, I think there's quite a big desire to get both crude oil and refined products out of the Middle East if the war was to be resolved. And so I think you would get OPEC producers pretty quickly ramping up production on top of the expected non-OPEC volumes that are coming on next year. And like I said, I think if that creates a bit of a softer oil price environment, there is a big need to replenish oil inventories as well, which have been depleted through the course of the year.

So I think you would lose a bit of the inefficiency that's been propping up the market the last little while, but you would probably gain more volume. And like I said, I think that need to replenish oil inventories could be quite a nice tailwind once the situation is resolved in the Middle East.

Adam Roszkowski: And I guess just WTI falling about $20 over this past couple of weeks, are you seeing any of that kind of replenishment need happening now? And just thoughts on maybe damage done to refinery capacity in the Middle East and maybe longer-term near-term ramifications from that standpoint.

Christian Waldegrave: Yes. In terms of the fall in oil prices, I don't think we're seeing it yet translate into a lot of stock building. What I would say is Chinese crude oil imports have gone back above 10 million barrels a day or close to 10 million barrels a day as of last month, so I think that's a sign. The Chinese especially are quite price sensitive, so I think it's a positive sign that they're starting to import more oil again. And certainly, if oil falls more, I think you'll see an acceleration of different countries and refiners looking to replenish those inventories.

In terms of the refinery damage in the Middle East, Yes, I think that's one reason why the product exports out of the Middle East have lagged the crude. I think there is progress on that front. I read recently the Sitra Refinery in Bahrain is on the verge of getting back up to 100%. So it will be a little bit of a slower comeback for the refined products out of the Middle East than it is for the crude. But my understanding is that those repairs are underway.

And as those volumes come back, it's going to really help the product market, especially given that a lot of ships have migrated over to the dirty trades during the course of the year, so I think that product market could be well set up once those volumes from the Middle East return.

Operator: And it appears there are no additional questions at this time. I'll turn it back to the company for your closing remarks.

Kenneth Hvid: Thank you very much to everyone who dialed in today. We look forward to reporting back to you on our full year 2026 results when we report in February. Thank you.

Operator: This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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